Internet note taking
I’ve stopped using Google Notebook twice now. The first time, I took all of my notes offline for privacy reasons and stuffed them into a desktop application. That worked great and I still do that for a lot of my notes but I’ve found there is a class of note taking that is better suited to an online notebook. Ideas for blog posts mostly but also online references and tidbits that ideas marinate in. Stuff clipped from web pages. A temporary jumble. Ingredients I can sift through and combine into something useful. That’s the theory, anyway.
The second time I quit using Google Notebook was because the interface on the Firefox plugin was geting on my nerves. It tries to be a miniature version of their full web interface. Their full web interface is just fine so you’d think a miniature version would be ok—but it is not ok. When I clip something, I’d like to highlight it, select the action to clip it, optionally choose a category or add tags in a dialog, click OK, and have the dialog go away. Adding clips in Google Notebook almost works that way. It appears, you can add tags. But moving the clip to another notebook is tedious and requires multiple clicks, especially if you need to create a new notebook. And for some reason you can’t edit the title of a clip unless you use their full web interface. Also the popout window version changes size every time I open it. So I quit using Google Notebook.

Google Notebook dialog trying to do too damn much
I tried Evernote. I like Evernote. It basically addresses the problems I had with Notebook on the input side of things. Except, I dislike the way it creates clips if you don’t highlight something. Rather than create a summary it is likely to show you the menu or something equally useless in the thumbnail. And it can take a long time for it to build the thumbnail before it shows you the interface. And Evernote is free but they put a limit on how much bandwidth you can consume in a month which is, despite the fact that 40MB is probably far more than I would likely use in a month, stress-inducing. Yes, Evernote’s monthly usage quota stresses me out. And I’m not convinced enough of its utility to shell out any money yet. But even if I did… stressful usage quota. (I have a 7GB Gmail quota too. But that one is large enough to be effectively infinite to me so it doesn’t stress me out. 40MB, not so much. I know it’s irrational.)

Evernote dialog works nicely but is too slow for full page clips
So I’m using Google Notebook again and working around the shortcomings of its Firefox plugin. Namely, I’ve given up on the idea of having multiple notebooks because they are such a chore to use and I’m simply tagging my clips. And I’m pretending the X (close button) is the OK button. So now I highlight, clip, tag, close. It’s just as many clicks as Evernote without the usage quota stress.
Best thing ever (well, within this context)? Google Notebook with Evernote’s input dialog. Google Reader’s “Note This” interface, Delicious’ tagging interface, Share on Facebook, and scores of other “clipping” interfaces all work the way Evernote’s does (or Evernote’s works the way all the others do). Fast, efficient, focused on a single task. I see where the Notebook guys were going but consider this a vote to call the current Notebook plugin a failed experiment and move on to a more streamlined workflow.
I use Freemind. I’d really like something with a web interface so I could get my notes anywhere, and I’d like something with bookmarking, but for serious notetaking and organizing I have yet to find something that works as well and as fast as freemind. Its multi-platform, and I use jungledisk so that I can access it from all my computers securely.
A bit of a minimalist approach is AyeNotes as an alternative to take notes online. One issue with note taking on the computer is that the user is too distracted with things like formatting, etc. and yet none of the solutions help with data entry online.
AyeNotes is sort of the antithesis to Evernote and Google Notebook in the sense that AyeNotes provides users for frequently used clips as shorthand (as if they were taking quick handwritten notes) that expand to longhand. In addition to creating text substitution macros, ayenotes turns out to be really useful if you write HTML or markdown for blogging. You can create macros for h1, h2, p, etc. that make the beginning and end tags and put the cursor in between them (you set the cursor with an **).
There are also command key equivalents and auto-save – so a lot of the usability issues you’re talking about go away with this simpler solution… it’s worked really well for me both in a class context as well as professionally.
Thanks for the links. I’d heard of Freemind before but never tried it. AyeNotes is completely new to me. I’m going to go give them a whirl right now.
Thank you for the comparison, I use Google notebook right now and was very curious about using Evernote but didn’t know exactly what I will be getting in return or giving up. I sort don’t like that they have put 500MB/month bandwidth limit on even the paid subscriptions.
I just finished reading Andy Hunt’s book “Pragmatic Thinking and Learning” (http://www.pragprog.com/titles/ahptl/pragmatic-thinking-and-learning) and am looking for a way to merge mind maps + photo notes (whiteboard diagrams) + audio clips (meeting notes) into one place. I like the visual UI of mind maps to shape ideas but it would be really cool if I can include multi-media notes to mind maps.
I agree completely with Google Notebooks’ shortcomings as you have described them here. I have felt for a long time that I would use it a lot more than I already do if the input was friendlier.
I’ve never heard of either of the apps shared by Dave & Greg – thanks guys. I’ll look at them.
First of all, thanks for creating Writer.
I never had any use for online notes before. I still use the good old notebook for note-taking chores. I’ll try all the links here and see if I can make use of it.
Looks like you’re in good company–Google has stopped using Google Notebook as well.
http://googlenotebookblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/stopping-development-on-google-notebook.html
Ack! Time to abandon ship again.